ronald reagan signed on to one of the largest -- one of the largest tax increases -- >> that was a tax -- >> that's why -- >> tax reform -- >> kept it from exploding. >> worked out -- >> you have to have some notion of what you want to do. >> the issue here is that, you know, romney has not put any of the details out. i mean, that is true. he's thrown some ideas. he said he's going to balance the budget in seven to ten years while doing tax reform, while increasing defense spending, not touching medicare. i mean there's a lot of things that don't add up but because romney has not given the details doesn't give the president the right to make them up for him. i mean, he is not going to have a $5 trillion net tax cut. >> absolutely good at details -- >> that's not his plan. >> but i think to say there's a $5 trillion tax cut to be offset by mystery meat. you know, that's a correct statement. >> or -- >> there's a $5 trillion tax cut, well, but we don't know what it is he's going to do but what he proposed is a $5 trillion tax cut plus he says, trust me, i'll do something he different. th